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Wrangler JKs and the Jeep Wave


I need to confess something. I've co-owned a Jeep - oriented company for over 4 years now, and just this year I finally traded in my Minivan and got a new 4 door Jeep as my daily driver. (We have the Scrambler for the trails and the Cherokee to plow with, and assorted other Jeeps also, but the daily driver was the minivan.) So it was great when Chrysler released a "practical" Jeep for the family. But then I noticed something funny. Jeep discrimination. From other Jeepers!

Let's face it, as fun as the Wrangler is, it just hasn't been practical as the "Family Car". When Daimler Chrysler introduced the 4 door Wrangler Unlimited JK, they opened up the Jeep market to a new customer - namely someone like me. Carpooling kids to their activities during the week was never easy in a two door Jeep. And now the 4-door makes it feasible. Kids, Dogs, Stuff and still room for groceries. 

But to my surprise, many other Jeepers who were happy to wavy to a lifted, modified Scrambler won't wave when I drive the JK. What's with the discrimination? Don't I "count" as a real Jeeper driving a Wrangler Unlimited? Do I have to earn my wave? 

So I want to know, why not wave? What do I have to do to earn the wave? Seriously, I want to know!

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I don't know a bunch about Jeeps but I personally think the Rubicon version demands a wave.
Posted @ Saturday, November 17, 2007 9:57 AM by Clay
I would wave at ya Jean :)

I wave at all Wranglers and I used to wave to the rest. But since in many cases of other Jeeps you get a confused stare or nothing at all, I gave up. Now when it comes to other Jeeps I only wave if they look like Jeeper Jeeps and not just 'owner' Jeeps. There is a difference.

I guess what has happened with the wave is two things - the recent influx of new Jeep types and owners who either don't know or don't care about the Jeep lifestyle, and; selective waving to only those Jeeps that appear to get used for what a Jeep was meant. Which incedently is a direct result of D/C expanding on non-traditional Jeep designs aimed more at the street than the trail.

I find that in general the wave has been dieing a slow death. A lot of Jeepers won't wave at stock Jeeps. But then again, the wave in it's true inception had to do with the sharing of kudos between diehards as they passed along a road or trail. So to expect this to be extended to the uncaring uninterested masses is just a bit of a stretch, no?

Jeeper Jeep: A Jeep owned by an adventurous soul living the brand; a Jeep being used for what it was meant (stock or built), often but not always clad with mud, scratches, accessories, related stickers, and off road type equipment. Jeeper Jeeps in their pre-experienced stock form are very hard to identify in some cases.

Owner Jeep: A Jeep owned by average Joe or Jane who simply owns that vehicle for transportation rather than "living the brand"; a Jeep in pathetic slave service to an uncaring master who could have just as easily bought anything else and spared the Jeep a life of sad existance; generally clean, polished, and sporting all season or highway tires.
Posted @ Saturday, November 17, 2007 11:18 AM by Outback
I love your new jeep and will surely wave to you when you drive it to Reno.Hugs. Reno Mom
Posted @ Thursday, November 22, 2007 12:45 PM by Mimi Breslow
Me too. Can't wait to wave when you get to Reno. Reno Dad
Posted @ Thursday, November 22, 2007 12:56 PM by Richard Breslow
I have waved at the new 4door Jeep with no return. I think your right when saying this is for the new jeep owner who do not have a history of jeeping. I no longer give a wave to the new 4door since it will not be returned.
Posted @ Sunday, November 25, 2007 11:17 PM by Rob
Gosh, I have always wanted to own a jeep and participate in the 'Jeep Wave'! My husband and I were so excited when we saw the 4 door Wranglers! How sad was I when I found out Jeep Freaks do not consider a four door a real jeep! Just because you might see me dropping my kids off at soccer or dance class certainly doesn't mean you might not see me driving up a mountain, through the mud or four wheeling in the desert! Get over yourselves! Not every Wrangler needs to look like a piece of junk! We can take care of it on and off road! Quit being a REVERSE SNOB and at least nod your head if you can't make the effort to wave!!!!
Posted @ Sunday, December 09, 2007 11:40 PM by jeeperscreepers!
I have been waiting to get a jeep wrangler for years. The truth is, a family of five doesn't fit in a two-door model. I've taken equal amounts of comments . . . crap from people about "mid-life crisis" to "I love your car and am so jealous." I also drive 75 miles a day to and from work, so since September have already put 6,000 miles on my car. The hard top leaks, the soft top flops, I'm still waiting on my running boards BUT I LOVE MY JEEP. Don't be a jerk. Wave. Unlimited also means Inclusive!
Posted @ Saturday, December 29, 2007 9:54 AM by Larry
I just got my 08 JK for Christmas. I LOVE it. My husband just put a 4 inch lift of it with 35 tires. I look so bad. But, what Im getting is that it looks like a hummer. (YUK) I have less than a thousand miles on it and have only gotten one wave. Maybe when the weather gets warmer? But I also feel left out of the real jeep club.
Posted @ Sunday, December 30, 2007 8:44 PM by Terri
P.S. I am in the Jeeper Jeep category!!!!!
Posted @ Sunday, December 30, 2007 8:51 PM by Terri
I own a 2 door Jeep and wife and I always got waves. Bought her a 4 door jeep JK in early 2007 and we still get alot of waves, but like most when you go to jeep groups (online) the ability to hide behind a nick makes people talk bad about new jeeps.
Posted @ Monday, January 07, 2008 7:17 PM by TR Clev
I have a 2000 Cherokee Sport and a 2006 Wrangler. I am not a big fan of the new Jeeps. ( Sorry ) They are wider , the doors are square, the door handles on the outside are not a typical Jeep handle. I think the people who had the CJ-5/7's are having the same reaction I am having. It just does not seem like a traditional Jeep.
I have had my new Jeep for over 1 year now and there was a new Wrangler 07/08 that always waved at me ( We live in a small town )
Mine is lifted his is stock finally.... one day about 1 month ago I sent a wave and nod over. He nearly went off the road with excitement.
Moral of the story - us old Jeepers will come around. We just dont like to change.
It happened when they got rid of the Cherokee's and came out with the Liberty.
Hang in there - the waves will come!
Posted @ Friday, February 01, 2008 4:52 PM by Jen
In case you need to know the rules of the wave (o:
Posted @ Friday, February 01, 2008 5:03 PM by Jen
Here's my take on the wave: A proper Jeep has only 2 doors (Wrangler) - it has been that way from Day One. If you want a 4-door - buy a Hummer. So, I won't be initiating waves to 4-doors, but I'll be plite and wave back.
Realize though that the 4-door was created for guys whose wives would never consent to a real Jeep. It's an awesome marketing strategy, and hugely successful. But, a 4-door wrnagler is like having 4 nipples - fuctional and fun, but just not right.
Posted @ Thursday, February 28, 2008 5:10 PM by Wet Jeep
Wow waving stirs up quite a range of opinions. We have Cherokee's for years and finally got a Wrangler. Have always wanted on but it wasn't practical with kids. Now the kids are driving the Cherokees and are jealous of their mom who's driving the Wrangler which is basically stock with Mickey Thompson MTZ BAJA's 285/75/16 w/Pro Comp Extreme Alloy rims in black. We wave at any Wrangler whether it be 4 door or 2 door. We've tried to wave at other jeepers but they look at us like we're nuts!
Posted @ Friday, March 07, 2008 11:07 AM by Oaklane
Sorry to hear about that Shame on them. I wave to everyone whether they wave back or not. Come to Connecticut and I wave at ya.
Happy Jeepin and keep on wavin!!!!
Posted @ Thursday, March 27, 2008 8:03 PM by Tammy
I have waved to a 4 door efore i got looked at like i had a falic symbol on my forhead, and i also agree with the guy 3 spaces above me, i jeep is and will always be 2 doors i will not start the wave to a JK but i will be nice and return it, and also if your driving in your jeep and someine in a regular vehicle waves at you its probably a jeeper in another vehicle dont be rude wave back i know i sometimes forget that im driving the truck and not my TJ but hey im a true jeeper so why not at least wave back
Posted @ Friday, March 28, 2008 11:52 AM by mouse
I recently bought my first Jeep. 2004 TJ Unlimited. I live in Ohio and the Wave live's on here. I agree that the JK is much different than all previous CJ's and Wranglers, but it's still a Wrangler and deserves a wave. My problem is that they are really hard to distinguish sometimes from Hummers, so my wave comes too late. And I must say I have not received a wave from a JK yet.
Posted @ Wednesday, April 02, 2008 12:49 PM by Zen Gary
I don't wave at wrangler unlimiteds. It's not a "real" jeep, it can't do half the things a stock 2 door can. I own a silver 06 rubicon.
4.5in rubicon express suspension lift
35in mickey thompsons
bilstein shocks
6.11 equivalent gearing
warn front and rear rock crawler bumpers
9.5ti warn winch
No one can argue it's not a real jeep, but I can sure argue an unlimited isn't.
Posted @ Wednesday, April 16, 2008 3:51 PM by grant
Seriously, folks? Some jeep owners are "too cool" to wave at 4 door jeeps, or even to 2 doors that are left stock?? Please forgive those of us who perhaps can't immediately afford a few grand worth of additions to our jeeps right away. Plus- lord forbid- forgive anyone who might just REALLY like car to drive without a top or doors on it! I give tons of respect to those of you who have tricked out your jeeps and are lucky enough to drive them up the sides of mountains all the time; but please get off your high horses about it. 'Jeep Spirit' is shared by every member of the Jeep family, from newest to oldest. Wave because Jeeps are cool, and wave at everyone who's in one- we ALL like them.
Posted @ Sunday, April 20, 2008 10:04 PM by steve
I guess nobody has seen the tricked out Unlimited that Skyjacker built. Like Steve...everyone get off your high horses about tricking out your rig and off-roading. There's enough pompous attitudes in this world to go around, just ask the Hummer people and Land Rover group; just ask them they'll tell you how wonderful they are and how much their rigs cost. I’ve seen both hung up
I too had to start out with a stock Wrangler and couldn't afford any goodies up front. But then alittle at a time I added and that was the joy of building it; then I had the joy of taking it out and trying testing it on the trail. I can't go every weekend; I go about once a month. And I've got a few battle scars to prove the off-road capability. And like they told me when I was starting out it 10% vehicle and 90% driver.
What bums me about this whole wave issue is attitude, attitude on both side of the issue. Old jeeps not wanting to wave at 4-doors, Unlimited getting snubbed, It happened when the went from CJ's to YJ; oh they aren’t real jeeps cause they had rectangular headlights.
The argument was bogus then as is this 2 door - 4 door issue.
Everybody take the high road on this issue and in life. We're all on a journey, both in life and with our Wranglers. Don't be a snobby puritan, or a stuck up newbie. Lose the attitude and gain a friend, they might be the one pulling you out one day. Wave whether they wave or not be the bigger person.
As you can see I’m passionate about my Jeeps. And if you see me and my Red Wrangler your going to get a wave. Teach by Demonstration – Lead by Example.
Posted @ Monday, April 28, 2008 3:36 PM by Bill
2006 Rubicon here. When the JK's came out, I was immediately put off by the 4 door and the fact that you can get power windows, door locks and a navigation system in both body about diluting a brand....
I won't wave @ the 4 door JK's unless they wave first, which 95% of the time the ladies driving them are too busy on their cell phones to notice another Jeep passing...I begrudgingly wave to 2 door JK's, but typically say something like "fancy-boy" under my breath at the same time.
Posted @ Saturday, May 03, 2008 12:45 AM by Nathan
I have a JK Unlimited and get waves from other Jeeps. But I dont understand why there are so many who bash the 4 door. I love the space that I get with it, and if I wanted a Hummer I would have bought one. I can easily fit my dogs, gear, and another passenger when going on long outdoor trips. They should have offered the Unlimited years ago.
Posted @ Saturday, May 03, 2008 10:43 PM by Justyn
All the 2007 and newer jeeps are not real jeeps as they have wider axles from the nitro engine and trans from nitro. and the four door is built on the nitro frame.Jeep made the choice to lower overhead with no regard for the Legend.
Posted @ Sunday, May 04, 2008 7:08 PM by enrique ratso
Normally, I tried to avoid religious discussions -- Canon vs Nikon, Apple vs Microsoft, Krystal vs White Castle -- but I can't help but comment on this thread.
I am a new Jeep owner, having waited over ten years to put my first Jeep under my backside. I have owned my new Jeep Wrangler for just about five days. And yes, I chose an Unlimited.
Based on the comments above, either I'm a woman on a cell phone, someone who doesn't "get it", or someone who shoulda bought a Hummer. You couldn't be more wrong. (And for those of you keeping score at home: not a woman, not on a cell phone, I *do* "get it", and I don't think I could swallow driving a Hummer day-in and day-out -- nothing wrong with any of that, but that sweeping generalization doesn't fit me.)
I have gotten waves when driving my Jeep, and I've waved back. Where I grew up in the rural parts of this great country, that was fairly common, no matter what kind of vehicle was carrying you and your gear/family/life, and it was common courtesy to wave back.
So, just to answer the critics that Unlimited owners are just enslaving their Jeeps in a morass of dull tedium, I thought I'd tell you about what my Jeep was purchased for, and what it'll spend its first month doing.
I'm a photographer, and I wanted a vehicle that I could carry my cameras, lenses, tripods, telescopes, and camping gear, and that would allow me to access places that simply weren't doable in my TrailBlazer. It's not an issue of cupholders or cell phones or power windows (although there might be a touch of mid-life crisis in there) -- it's a simple math problem involving cubic feet of stowage, and protection of that gear.
That's the "why" an Unlimited was right for me. Now let's examine whether I "get it".
In eight days, I leave from Missouri, driving to San Francisco, returning up the Pacific coast to Portland, through the Columbia River gorge area, on to Spokane, Coeur D'Alene, Glacier National Park, Yellowstone National Park, the Badlands, Minnesota, and south again to Missouri. This is a three-week trek, with man, wife, 14-year old daughter, and enough gear to cripple a mule, covering between 5000 and 6000 miles over three weeks of journey.
Like others have said, I have a ton of respect for folks jacking their Jeeps up, modding the heck out of them, making their Jeep reflect their own personality. That's just plain cool, and at a gradual pace, I'll probably be doing some of that too.
For me though, it's not the destination of how modded I can make my Jeep, it's the journey I plan to take in it. Roughly translated: my Jeep journey may be different than yours, but it's still my journey, and just as valid as yours.
And to that I add, one size of Wrangler does not fit all. I happen to like my Wrangler in the XL format.
Wave or don't wave -- that's your call. My parents raised me to be courteous, and I'll be waving.
Hope you'll wave back. Sorry for the rant.
Posted @ Wednesday, May 28, 2008 10:06 PM by Colin Wright
Personally I dont give a crap who many doors the wrangler has, its still a Jeep Wrangler. I get and give waves to anyone who is driving one but only Wranglers because other jeep owners have no clue. To those that have a problem with the wave get over yourself and stop treating these owners like the redheaded stepchild in the family. Although I must admit that there is a difference between a true jeeper and a yuppie jeeper.
Posted @ Sunday, June 01, 2008 9:38 PM by Kit
The CJ guys dissed the Wranglers when they were will take time, but they'll come around.
Posted @ Monday, June 02, 2008 9:50 AM by GL
im sorry but i cant see myself waving to a JK the wave started with 2door wranglers and thats how it is gunna stay. obviously JK's are going to wave to any1 because they have a "jeep wrangler" the new JK is more of a luxury vehicle. everything is less rugged looking.
Posted @ Tuesday, June 10, 2008 9:10 AM by TruTJowner
JK's NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, wave back, I have been so nice so many times and never recieved a return wave, I'll Wave when JK's have had and loved thier jeeps long enough to even know what the Wave is. Not to worried though, because I'm sure the Unjeepers will be trading in thier Jeeps before they are even a couple years old. "It's such a rough ride" Waaaa
Posted @ Friday, June 13, 2008 4:54 PM by Dan
Just picked up an 08 Sahara 4 door. Yep, it is fully rigged. Sorry, but I am 33 years old with a son and travel quite a bit. Am I a noob at off-roading..hell no. My first truck at 16yrs old was a 1978 J10 three speed. I romped that truck so much that one day the whole side of the bed just fell off. I ended up replacing it with a J-20 bed from an owner of a jeep dealership. Since then, I have been four wheeling all my life in mostly chevy trucks. Anyways, I can bet what jeepers think seeing me driving my nice jeep green Sahara; probably something like...yuppie probably never has been off road. I still love to off road, but I just can't afford to romp like I used to. So to all you people who are stuck on this two door dilema.....give me a break and try and grow up some. When I grew up, all of us off roaders pretty much hung together. I've had the jeep for two days now, we will see.
Martin from Corpus Christi, Texas
Posted @ Tuesday, June 17, 2008 11:34 PM by Martin
4 door jeeps are for soccer moms and not real jeeps.
Posted @ Tuesday, June 24, 2008 1:27 AM by josh
I just can not believe the attitudes here.
I have a 04 Rubicon that kicks butt!!
But guess what??
I also have a 07 Wrangler Ulimited Sahara 4 door.
We got it when we went Jeepin with a friend who had one and WHOA!!
He rode his 4 door Sahara hard and it could do almost everything our old Rubi could .
It seriously impressed me.
It deserves my respect.
Therefore I will wave at any Jeep Wrangler 2 door or 4 door.
I have seen the snobs out there when I drive my 4 door no wave....When I drive my Rubi wave city.
BTW I have been driving wranglers for years..My first was rust Bucket and I drove her until the wheels fell off
I am a woman and Definately NOT a soccor mom as was stated above ;op
Posted @ Tuesday, June 24, 2008 2:23 AM by Luvthewaves
It's a shame that (mostly) a change in the shape of the body is enough to entice folks to believe that the Unlimiteds are relegated to sub-par duty. On the 17th day of our twice-half-cross-country roadtrip, my family is finding our new Unlimited to be worthy, doing everything we could want, and containing everything we could possibly want to carry. Even traveling solo, I pack "heavy", with a lot of gear, and there's just no way I could possibly load my gear into a two-door Wrangler.
So, if carrying more gear, and traveling to the same places I encounter the two-door Wranglers makes me a "soccer dad", then so be it. I'll continue having all the fun there is to be had in my new Unlimited. After all, I bought it for what it *will* do, not for what someone else believes it should look like.
There's a reason a Jeep is a Jeep, and it's for those reasons I bought one -- a *real* one -- instead of a Chevy/Ford/etc 4WD SUV. I'm proud to be driving a vehicle with such a history behind it, regardless of how other Jeep owners treat me and whether they wave or not.
Like I said, I bought this Jeep for me, not for other folks.
Posted @ Tuesday, June 24, 2008 9:10 AM by Colin
I just bought a 07 sahara 2dr stock and if I take it out tomorrow on the trails and pass ANY jeep I expect to wave and be waved at because thats our greeting and sign of common respect for each other. Regardless of what me may think about the other jeep or its owner it's still a damn jeep! You owe it to them, you didnt make the jeep rules you and if you don't like them then drive something else. I understand you may have always done it a certain way and the "new breed" doesn't know well man up and show them what they are a part of, show them that jeeps are special and the owners as well. I don't think there is reason to go in any more detail, you my not like me because of the current condition of my jeep but just as with my past jeep they all have to start at some point. Show the respect that sets us apart! Happy trails
Posted @ Tuesday, July 01, 2008 1:30 AM by Big_Sarge
i just bought a 05 Jeep Liberty Renegade. I was wondering if this means im in on the jeep wave..... and if so what class of a jeep do i own? Just looking for some advice from some veteran jeeperz
Posted @ Tuesday, July 01, 2008 6:54 PM by Phil 
Posted @ Wednesday, July 02, 2008 11:32 AM by Jean @
My fingers hit the send button too fast. 
Here are two great forums for Jeep Libertys (aka Jeep KJs) that might interest you. 
The Jeep wave seems to be associated with Jeep Wrangler-type Jeeps (those than can take the top off) but if you drive a Jeep and wave to me, I always wave back!
Posted @ Wednesday, July 02, 2008 11:35 AM by Jean
I am a driver of a "Upgraded" Wrangler Unlimited.  
I agree with some of the prior comments about maybe the Wrangler Unlimited might have some trouble on some trails because it is a little longer. But I have yet to run accross that issue myself.  
I dont like the new body style of the Wrangler. I dont care if it is a 2 door or the 4 door.  
I was pretty open minded about maybe waving to them as well. But seeing all the above comments I probably wont going forward.  
For all the Unlimited haters so be it my body style was brought on by a 53-59 Willies which came before the CJ-4,5,7 and the square headlights. And todays "Family Jeep" 
My nose/grill does not slant on the Jeep and it is not wider and does not have Power Doors/Windows or GPS. But I love it.... I dont care that it is longer as it does what I need and my Jeep is always noticed and she looks good.  
I will continue to wave to CJ's, Wrangles made before 07 and for the new jeeps I have yet to see one wave.  
Jeep Spirit is about loving your Jeep and taking pride in the tradition of owning driving this vehicle. I know that my Unlimited will get me where I need to go and I will have fun getting there. 
I tool all the time and have yet to see a NEW JEEP on any trail. <I believe there are some true jeepers out there - who do wave and who do get it> but the drivers I have seen in the new boxed jeeps dont fit that mold  
Posted @ Wednesday, July 02, 2008 12:11 PM by Wrangler Unlimited
1. Dont hate us because we lift, or beef up our tires on our rigs.  
2. For the person who said we hide behind our comments on the site "Clev" my name is always posted and I have no issue stating I dont like the Wrangler JK or the New JK UNlimited.  
3. I love the 06 Unlimited as I have one  
4. And for the last post I dont think it was the 53 Willies I would say possibly a CJ-6 ( There was also a longer CJ-5) That was produced from 1954ish to 80. 
5. Last but not least the term Wrangler was not put out until the 80's. The others were CJ's, Gladiators, SJ and FJ, MJ and FC models.  
Posted @ Wednesday, July 02, 2008 12:37 PM by Jen
I have wanted a Jeep for years but being a backwoods, hunter, manly redneck type a CJ or 2 door Wrangler just didn't have the room I needed for hunting trips and such. When the 4 door Unlimited came out I promptly traded my Dodge Quad-Cab off for one. Supposedly it's considered a "soccer mom" Jeep by the "Jeep Purists" whatever they the way, is a pure Jeep an American Bantam only, Willys only or???? (I'll digress). Anyhow, call it what you want, it's a perfect Jeep for this old redneck and I personally wave at any CJ/Wrangler style Jeeps I pass....have been a biker for years it just seems natural.
Posted @ Friday, July 04, 2008 10:52 PM by Jeep45
BTW...Soccer is NOT a real sport! Football (real American football) is a sport! Baseball is a sport. Fishing and hunting with bows, rifles or (my favorite) handguns are a sport. Soccer is some yerapee'n excuse for a sport because it doesn't require thinking, strategy or athletic ability. So, when someone calls my jeep a "soccer mom" jeep...well, them's fightin' words. There is NOTHING feminine or soccerish (which are both pretty close to the same thing) about me and I used the hell out of my Unlimited.
Posted @ Friday, July 04, 2008 11:26 PM by Jeep45
I see every one on here says all Jeeps should wave and I have been around Jeeps since the 1970's and I have yet to see a Grand Cherokee Wave, or a Liberty wave.  
The wave as I know it is with the CJ's, Wranglers lets keep it real.
Posted @ Monday, July 07, 2008 9:10 AM by Wrangler
For 66 years 2 doors was fine, why did they up and change it. I am a single guy and love the exclusivity of having a 2-door TJ. I can't count the number of times "old married parents" see me and tell me how lucky I am to have it so good. In my opinion you shouldn't be able to have your cake and eat it too, sorry about you having to drive a mini-van.
Posted @ Wednesday, July 16, 2008 9:33 PM by Dan
Well, if I was single I'd still have my JK Unlimited. A two door Jeep does NOT have enough room for gear for week-long hunts on the TX-Mexico border. They probably "up and changed it" because the rest of the world is bigger than you Dan. If Jeep was still only making a two door bobtail and nothing else they'd be out of business because most folks who want one already have one and Jeep probably feels it's best they stay in business. As for worrying about whether someone else likes the Jeep you drive or whether they will wave at you or if you fit into whatever mold they feel you should fit into...isn't that getting out of the spirit of what "Jeeping" meant so long ago....independence,getting away from "the norm", etc? I couldn't give a crap less if someone else likes my Jeep or not or whether they are some hoytee-toytee "Jeep Purist". The Jeeps they are building today are the best Jeeps that have ever been built in the history of Jeep and I have been working on them for over 25 years professionally. How about we all just drive what we want and not let what others think about it worry us tonight when we hit the sack.
Posted @ Wednesday, July 16, 2008 10:46 PM by Jeep45
I have an 87 YJ and haven't put the doors back on since May. I stopped waving at the new JK's because most of the new Jeepers don't realize they're Jeepers and they don't wave back. The most I've gotten out of a JK was a really confused look. That's not to say I wouldn't wave back. They may just be unfamiliar with the rules. Here's a good website that lays out the rules pretty simply. 
And just because my YJ doesn't have round lights doesn't mean it's not a real Jeep.
Posted @ Thursday, July 24, 2008 5:14 PM by Dan
Here's a question for you guys. I have been driving Jeeps for years, and when I was first tought about the wave by a friends older brother, I really felt like I belonged to something special. Fast forward nearly 15 years, and last week I just bought my first Grand Cherokee. I'm not as young as I once was, wife, kids, have to wear a suit to work, but I still feel like I have the right to wave. Though I will admit not everyone waves back, and I haven't actually waived to another WK, but after reading this thread, I start tomorrow. Just because they're not in a Wrangler, doesn't mean they wouldn't be if they could.
Posted @ Saturday, August 23, 2008 11:05 PM by Zach
My wife has an 06 GC, my daughter has an 96 GC, I have a 76 CJ, it is my 4th CJ since I was 16. My first car was a cj5 I am 44. I am looking at a four door as a daily driver because my company requires 4 door for a car allowance. I will wave to fricken everyone!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 
Posted @ Sunday, August 31, 2008 6:18 PM by Mac
The link below is a good article about the Jeep wave:
Posted @ Friday, September 26, 2008 1:34 PM by Rachel
Nice article and I agree I see less and less waves every year. Some new Jeeps might wave but I think it is a tradition that is dying off.  
I wave at the Jeeps and I expect to have a wave back. You can tell the REAL Jeepers as opposed to those who just drive.  
I will continue to wave and I passed the tradition off to my daughter and she will uphold the proud Jeep tradition.  
I think it needs to be explained if you ever sell or if you are buying a Jeep.  
A laminated card should go right next to the roll over warning.  
Happy Friday All  
Posted @ Friday, September 26, 2008 1:52 PM by Wrangler
I have wanted a jeep for the last 17 years, as my family was growing it wasn't practical, now with one graduating i started actively looking 3 years ago and i had 5 definite things that i had to have in my jeep. Well 5 months ago i found my jeep and it had everything that i wanted so i pondered and it felt like a sign so i bought it :-) Didn1`t know that their was a wave until my ex-sister-in-law told me, boy and is it ever fun, i don't know if it is because of the color (impact orange) or the crazy lady with the kids but we have ALOT OF FUN!
Posted @ Wednesday, October 08, 2008 2:00 PM by Candy
I've wanted a Jeep since I got my license, and now at 42 I finally got one! Because I've got 2 kids, a husband, a dog & a very busy and active lifestyle, the 4-door Wrangler was a perfect fit! Love it, love it, love it. We regularly have the top partially or fully down, and have taken the doors off as well. I never knew about The Jeep Wave until I got my new Wrangler & started driving it around! I quickly got rid of my surprised look when other Jeep drivers initiated the wave, and now gladly wave back to them and even initiate the wave myself. I've certainly noticed that some folks don't know about the wave (it's obvious when it's a look of confusion rather then ignoring you, or distainfully looking at you or past you) or won't give me the wave (I don't 'qualify' in their eyes as a REAL Jeep owner). Hey, whatever. I'm thrilled with my new Jeep, and any other Jeep owners who want to wave to me, or back at me, will make me a happy woman!
Posted @ Tuesday, October 21, 2008 10:13 AM by CarlyWrangles
Personally, I think the JK is the death of the badassness of the Jeep. Sure it can perform, when it's actually used to perform, but its total revamp of looks, and soccer mom style with luxury sub-compact SUV looks and interior. I took one for a test drive just for S&Gs and it felt like I was driving a luxury Honda Element. 
I wave to JKs, but not as enthusiastically as when I wave to TJs and older. The biggest and most enthusiastic wave I'll give to a Jeep is that of the likes of a CJ. 
I, personally, will never NEVER set myself in another JK for as long as I live.
Posted @ Friday, October 24, 2008 2:54 AM by Jesse
I simply can't see why folks give a rats ass what others think about what they drive. If you want to fit into a group then by all means buy exactly what they buy, drive what they drive, put your dog down and get a dog just like the end, if you want to be just like someone else you'll never measure up. Be your own self and don't worry about what some nit-wit twit that may or may not even have a Jeep thinks about it.
Posted @ Friday, October 24, 2008 10:05 PM by Jeep45
I simply can't see why folks give a rats ass what others think about what they drive. If you want to fit into a group then by all means buy exactly what they buy, drive what they drive, put your dog down and get a dog just like the end, if you want to be just like someone else you'll never measure up. Be your own self and don't worry about what some nit-wit twit that may or may not even have a Jeep thinks about it.
Posted @ Friday, October 24, 2008 10:05 PM by Jeep45
Drive a two-door, four doors is for family wussies who want to pose, not really do what Jeeps are four. They're just a stretch Jeep for people full of excuses who would never hit a trail. Not hitting the trail, you're not a real Jeep driver. Not a real Jeep driver (or owner either, as evidenced by your pissification of Jeep ownership) no wave for you. You don't deserve a wave, you deserve to buy a hummer or something where you're not just a poser in a four doors.  
Posted @ Sunday, October 26, 2008 3:45 PM by Jerry
Wow, spoken like a true adolescent.
Posted @ Sunday, October 26, 2008 3:58 PM by Jumper
Look you kids could spell and write better than you at three years old. Talk about a poser. I have a four (when used as a number) door Jeep. I do take it off road and that's exactly what I use it FOR (when used as a preposition). I doubt you have a driver's license and you are probably someone's punk. If you don't know what that means look it up online in the Urban Dictionary and please do us all a favor and grow up and play somewhere else.
Posted @ Sunday, October 26, 2008 4:00 PM by Jeep45
BRAVO! Your kids must be proud to have a father with such great character; it really shows.
Posted @ Sunday, October 26, 2008 5:43 PM by Jumper
Well, interesting reading here. I'm a TJ owner and very proud to be part of the Jeep community. I always give a wave to a fellow Jeeper but as rules dictate, there are priorities and some just don't know the rules. If you're waved to then you have been recognized, you should always wave back as long as it's from a Jeep.I usually initialize a wave to Wranglers but do send a wave to any jeep thats obviously had some decent trail time. If you're a true Jeeper, show respect to your fellow trail riders.
Posted @ Tuesday, October 28, 2008 5:38 PM by Raiders4life
Im a tj owner, i personally dont like the 4 door look its too mini-vansish. i dont wave to the every day soccer mom driving the car... unless shes a milf but, other than that if u want a wave and ur rocking the 4 door u gotta have the tires, lift, bumpers, snorkel or hell even a winch to prove you r worthy of the wave. Its not that jeepers wana be selective, but u wouldn't look at a 50 yr old in a porsche boxer the same as a 20 yr old. soccer moms keep your vans dont waste ur money on a jeep 4 door when u are not gonna use it the way it was meant to be used.
Posted @ Friday, October 31, 2008 1:57 AM by tim
I will wave back if a 4dr "Jeeper" waves first. But you better look the part.  
-TJ Jeeper.
Posted @ Tuesday, December 02, 2008 8:51 PM by Don
Ok heres the breakdown on what I think about waving and the new JK. I own a 97 TJ and have upgraded it along the way. Her name is Becky and has a quarter million miles on her. My only problem with the new JK is that no one waves in them, and they don't understand that the newer jeep must wave first. I wave to all jeeps and when I wave to a JK they either don't pay attention or look at me like i have three heads. This is very important in keeping the JEEP tradition alive and distinguishing jeeps from all the other lesser vehicles. I feel that it is my civic duty as an avid jeeper to keep this tradition alive so I will wave at as many JKs as it takes until people start getting the hint. I think everyone should do the same. There should also be a "waving manual" included when you buy a jeep. Keep the wave alive! Happy jeeping!
Posted @ Thursday, December 11, 2008 3:20 PM by Sean Moody
In regards to the last reply it is not the newer jeep that must wave it is the lesser jeep.
Posted @ Thursday, December 11, 2008 3:32 PM by Jeep Girl
Just because we drive the new 4 dr wranglers, doesnt mean we dont have older 2 drs at home. I own 3! i bought the new one for more room, daily driver and a family vehicle. I traded in a sweet Chevy with 6 inches of lift to be a jeeper! Respect the name JEEP and wave to us all.
Posted @ Tuesday, January 20, 2009 4:25 PM by rebelchick
I never get waved at in my Jeep Liberty... and there's nothing stock about it :( Makes me sad!
Posted @ Thursday, February 26, 2009 3:56 PM by Gabrielle Giello
Just purchased my 09' JK and lovin it! Finally, after 52 years,two kids, 5 houses, 6 dogs, (one wife) I have my first Jeep? I must admit I was not familiar with the cerimonial "jeep wave". I certainly am now! However, as a former biker I am no stranger to the faternal nod. Harleys only wave to Harleys (unless their fooled), Cafes to Cafes and the illustrious Goldwingers are in a class by themselves. Then there is the style of the wave to which I have to say is much more entertaining on a bike. You have the lower, at the knee wave, the two finger handlebar raise and traditional HOW! I now must find my favorite jeep wave which I will practice often. Hopefully, as a new Pledge, my faternal brothers and sisters will accept me! P.S My 1st mod will be a cold air intake on that 3.8L minivan engine.
Posted @ Monday, March 09, 2009 1:43 PM by Bogger
Congrats BOGGER on your first Jeep purchase!! I've had both the "more traditional" TJ.. an 02'... I now own an 08' 2dr JK and got my wife an 08' 4dr JK... I wave to all Jeeps, really don't understand why some don't wave at the new JKs... Guess it's a personal thing and that's their right... Congrats again and happy JEEPn!!!!
Posted @ Friday, March 13, 2009 5:42 AM by LSUjeepguy
Im lovin my 09 wrangler 4 dr. And all jeeps wave to me. It is awesome! I cant wait for warmer weather so I can take the hard top and doors off. And man, does my stereo rock! with the built in subwoofer, navigation system and, sirius satellite!! If you have never drove the new jeeps, you should try it, they are great!
Posted @ Friday, March 13, 2009 8:10 AM by rebelchick
Oh this makes me so sad, as a new (aprox 6days) jk 4door owner I am just tickled to finally own a jeep!!!! Ive been drooling over them for about 15 years now. My off road experience thus far is limited to work vehicals that i am not supposed to take risks in, but I hope to soon get my new jeep dirty. I only hope that some good old jeepers in jax beach wont be as unwelcoming as some here & show me the ways! Who would have guessed that so many people living the good life would be so bitter and not wanna share.....
Posted @ Saturday, April 11, 2009 10:32 PM by lhull
JK owners are getting the same bashing from some elitist Wrangler owners that the Cherokee got (gets). Bottem line is: whether you like it or not - if it's got those 4 letters on the front, it's a Jeep and the courtesy is extended to the vehicle not just the driver  
While there is a Jeep wave hierarchy, there is an overriding rule - "If in doubt, whip it out" 
Those who do not return the wave have proven themselves to be a wanker (who just happens to drive a Jeep) 
Posted @ Monday, May 18, 2009 11:29 AM by stephen loy
Steve, I couldn't agree more. Show some Jeep spirit for goodness sakes!
Posted @ Monday, May 18, 2009 12:06 PM by Amy
I bought my first Jeep a year ago. Yes, it's a JK Unlimited. I LOVE my jeep and take it off road all the time. I've done some mod'ing and plan to do more.  
Living in Reno, I don't know if it's the city or the jerks that don't like the JK, but I NEVER get a wave from anyone other then another JK Unlimited. I don't won't wave anymore. I stopped the second day.  
It's sad, but you a-holes are killing the wave by excluding the JK Unlimited. YOU migh come around, but I won't. I WILL NOT be waving. So, you have suceeded in created a secondary group of real Jeepers that feel you can kiss my butt. I didn't get a Jeep so you would like me, I got a Jeep because I've always dreamed of owning a Wrangler. You want to dis me? Fine. But remember, you're killing your own traditions. It's Jeep vs Jeep now, and that's sad. 
Though personally, I think this whole Jeep vs. Jeep Unlimited vs. Hummer vs. Toyota is just the most idiotic thing I've ever seen. But the WORST of the lot is the Jeep vs. Jeep unlimited crowd. Grow up! 
I have a new Jeep wave for you all. It's a one-fingered salute!
Posted @ Monday, May 18, 2009 2:21 PM by TJ Leeland
TJ Leeland 
Are you serious? You are going to call your fellow Jeepers A-Holes.  
You might want to consider your audience. These are fellow Jeepers.  
And if you think people who waive are killing the traditions of the "Jeep Legacy" you are wrong. I still see Willy's driving around and that is 64 years. Are you really going to be bitter until 2070?  
The wave will still exsist and the people who have REAL JEEP SPIRIT will carry the wave on. So DONT wave or DO wave dont judge everyone.
Posted @ Monday, May 18, 2009 2:29 PM by Wrangler
>Drive a two-door, four doors is 
>for family wussies who want to 
>pose, not really do what Jeeps 
>are four 
Said with all the inteligence of a person that doesn't know that "four" is a number. If Jeeps are "four" that would mean they are four-door. 
Guess how much I care about what YOU think? On a scale of 1-100? Four.
Posted @ Monday, May 18, 2009 3:21 PM by Billy Attwood
Phil Said: 
i just bought a 05 Jeep Liberty Renegade. I was wondering if this means im in on the jeep wave..... and if so what class of a jeep do i own? Just looking for some advice from some veteran jeeperz  
Phil, you are a such a tool. Seriously. You need the "vets" to tell you what class your Jeep is? Seriously?  
You are in on the wave if you want to be, not if you get permission from some jagoff on this site. It's called the "Jeep Wave" not the "Wrangler Wave." 
The class of Jeep you have is whatever you want it to be. Do you take it off-road? Did you lift it? If it's off-road worthy, don't seek out permission to call your Liberty a "real jeep." Either it is or it isn't, and that is up to you. 
Stop being a tool. Be a man.
Posted @ Monday, May 18, 2009 3:41 PM by Billy Attwood
You know what? I wave to every jeep wrangler, 2 dr or 4 dr. most dont wave back because they are the soccer mom type, or maybe they are simply new to the jeep wave. who knows. but dont judge by wether its a 4 dr or 2 dr jeep. just wave! its a crazy, messed up world around us, why hate on people? be courteous of others and dont judge people alike.
Posted @ Monday, May 18, 2009 4:22 PM by rebelchick
...being from "down South" we all wave at each other anyways, but being a Jeeper, you can definitely tell the difference, I get salutes, peace signs, etc.,...but for all of you out there that are new Jeepers, wave dang it ! You're part of the herd now...wether ya like it or not !
Posted @ Friday, May 29, 2009 1:31 PM by Piney Woods JK
TJ owners think JK owners are pussies. YJ owners think TJ/JK owners are pussies. CJ owners think YJ/TJ/JK owners are pussies. WWII military issue Jeep owners think CJ/YJ/TJ/JK owners are pussies. As a Jeep owner I don't know what would make me not wave...maybe if the next generation Jeep was made by Fiat or something crazy like that...oh wait...
Posted @ Sunday, August 23, 2009 2:58 PM by Jim
In Grand Haven, it's seems to be the rich people,rich kids or tourists that don't wave. Must regular folks with any Jeep wave.
Posted @ Tuesday, September 01, 2009 7:25 PM by Grand Haven
Hey i would wave i think all the things are the same their all called a jeep you now.
Posted @ Saturday, September 19, 2009 11:23 PM by Jake
I just traded my jeep 01 wrangler  
for a jeep 07 wrangler 2 door, and 
this is my 5th jeep. I did get more 
"waves" in the 01!
Posted @ Thursday, September 24, 2009 7:33 PM by BOB AARONIAN
I've been a YJ owner for several years. Its my daily commuter and my off road haven. For the past 10 years I have had a 50 - 50 repsonse from jeep owners. I've waved and been ignored by other wranglers and gotten some pretty bad ass waves from other jeepers. (I would agree that the best responses come from the south). Bottom line, I've turned into a wave "snob" as mentioned early on. Unless your jeep is lifted higher or obviously more modified than mine, I won't wave/salute. Real jeeps are built not bought. So if you're out buying a new 4 door or if you've got more crome on your jeep than an 18 wheeler...don't disgrace my jeep by expecting a wave from everyone. Get out and get stuck a few times, give your jeep a story and hopefully I'll meet you somewhere between the old oak tree and the swamp.
Posted @ Tuesday, September 29, 2009 9:42 PM by Madison Jeeper
i'm in grand haven. nobody waves back at my 92 XJ
Posted @ Tuesday, September 29, 2009 10:27 PM by jon
I have owned 5 cj's and three grand cherokees over the last 25 years. My current CJ was built from the ground up. I will wave to any jeeper that waves to me but in South Fla most are to busy on their cell phones driving through the mall terrain. I usually only wave to modified jeeps. Most new owners ignor or do not know about the wave.
Posted @ Friday, October 02, 2009 1:59 PM by Mac
I've noticed in Colorado (many Jeeps here) that only a few actually wave! 
Posted @ Monday, October 12, 2009 1:31 PM by Eric
Ok... I'm 28 and just bought my first jeep about 3 months ago. *whispers.... it was a 2008 jk 4door* I've always loved the wrangler regardless if it's a rubi, old school or whatever.. I waive at EVERY wrangler I see. I get a waive back, MAYBE a hair less than 50% of the time. I'm currently saving for a lift, etc.. but screw all of that.. IT IS A JEEP. I am single, no kids and think soccer is not a real sport.. I'm a caver, hiker, any thing outdoors.. I take mine offroad (stock for now) and it amazes me how "purist" are afraid of change. I chose the 4 door because I liked having more room for gear and still have space for ladies.. but mainly because it's a JEEP and it has yet to get me stuck in the woods of TN.. I get more waives from people in other types of car rather than the 2 door wranglers. I understand that if you see a lady or some typical yuppie driving a jk and is confused about the respect of the waive.. but don't the long haired outdoor lovers with scratches.. i mean character on the sides.. but regardless... If you're too cool to waive back to a fellow jeeper.. who cares.. I'll keep waiving and living the jeep lifestyle in my 4 door.
Posted @ Saturday, April 17, 2010 9:21 PM by Brandon
The MAIN reason people don't wave? It's because all of the same reasons you mention w/ regards to the practicality of the JK, are the very same reasons that soccer moms who know nothing about Jeeps are buying them up. I wave at them all day, and all I get back is a rediculous stare. The JK is an awesome Jeep, but because it is so practical people who could care less about the Jeep name, brand, offroad prowess, or legacy are buying them. After awhile people just get tired of a one way wave. Sorry. I still wave though. Haven't gotten one back yet from a JK owner, maybe one day....
Posted @ Monday, August 23, 2010 2:56 PM by Felix
Sorry but a 4-door Jeep is not a Jeep. Not a Jeep in the sense that a true Jeeper gives up all manner of practicality and ease of kid, friend, and grocery-handling for the honor of driving a 2-door Jeep. You took the easy way out. No wave.
Posted @ Thursday, September 09, 2010 5:57 PM by tjsharyn
I'm now on my 3rd Wrangler in 22 years. I currently own a 4-Dr Wrangler (I have two kids and wanted another Wrangler.) I wave at all Wrangler owners and I get waves from most Wrangler owners. Nothing but love for all Wrangler owners, old and new.
Posted @ Saturday, September 18, 2010 5:44 PM by chewman
The JKs are Jeeps but right now only the rich own them. Maybe in 10 years if the JK is still running i will wave. 4 door or 2 door the type of people driving them isnt the same. Women on there cell phones, men in suits. Not right.  
I have owned 2 jeeps  
1. A 88 Jeep Wrangler YJ(inline 6) 
2. 97 Jeep 4.0 Wrangler 
The YJ was a real jeep. I just dont think they make parts and jeeps like they used to.
Posted @ Wednesday, October 13, 2010 8:04 PM by Travis
This might be off topic but what do you guys think about installing a cb radio in my jeep. email me back if you got any comments or questions
Posted @ Saturday, October 30, 2010 10:34 AM by Jake
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